Dutch politician goes Jihad on us
So what prompted the angry email in the first place? Jos Parbleu sent an email to Ms. Ismaili and hundreds of others about two worrisome quotes by Okay Pala, the local leader of the radically Islamist organization Hizb ut-Tahrir, and published in the Turkish-Dutch "De Telegraaf" (more on this at Islam in Europe). Mr. Pala had said: "We reject freedom of speech, because we reject democracy," and "What you need is a heavy bomb attack".
But instead of attacking Mr. Pala or those quotes, she went after Mr. Parbleu for telling us about it!
Here is the full text of her email and its formatting (translation from multiple sources)
Listen well, dirty madman, WE'LL STAY HERE, hahahahahahhahah, DROP DEAD. IThe original text of the email in Dutch can be seen here.
am a dutch moslem, and I shall stay one until my death. I feel pity with your kind, you must live with hatred, really sad. My father and mother have worked hard to help build this country, and I have nothing to do with what others think or say. You are a miserable devil worshipper!!! You have sold your soul!!! Rather bizarre, to believe in the devil and his entourage, and to negate God the almighty and ruler over heaven and earth. Your kind are the worst terrorists, you have been terrorizing our lives for years here in Holland. But fortunately, you are few only, and most dutchmen are developed and tolerant. You are the migrants here!!!! With Allah by my side, I fear nothing and nobody. I AND MY CO-MOSLEMS ARE LIVING, your kind is being eaten up by hatred. A piece of advice, if I may, convert to Islam and find tranquility in your heart. Hatred eats you up and makes your heart stay empty. You have only a limited time in your life, go get a life and enjoyment, soon it's all over. We are living.......................You are trying to make something undone, to influence the lives and fates of others. Freemason hahahaha, you are not free, you are a slave of the devil. You think you're a kind of god, really sad, go and have yourself checked! If you're a man with BALLS, let me know who you are, let us talk. You can always talk to me. I know, you're empty inside, and sometimes you feel you wouldn't exist. You want to be seen and heard, but you're simply ORDINARY, a gray mouse and a pathetic little person, one of those billions walking around on this globe. But I hear your cry of emergency. I hear your cry for attention. I shall also have time for you, despite of the fact that I'm fully busy to make Holland a more beautiful, clean and safe country, where people can develop and live in freedom and democracy, no matter what color, origin or faith. Where, for all I care, even devil worshippers have a spot, for who am I ultimately to judge. This I leave to the judges' judge, ALLAH A RAHMAN OU RAHEEM!!! [Allah the most merciful]
Mr. Parbleu and others forwarded the email to Mrs. Ismaili's party head and Gates of Vienna has his response, in which he tries to dismiss the problem away and simultaneously change the subject:
Dear People,Her "response is understandable" and "maybe a bit offensive"??
I wouldn’t give this too much attention.
Ms. Bouchra’s response is understandable but maybe a bit offensive to some, and we as PvdA would not like to be held responsible for it. For example, Jos Parbleu (the constituent in question - translator) posted on the blog mores-mores a reply to an article written by Alain Caruba, a US citizen, as he presents himself. He added an article supposedly written by a Freemason. This article is completely bogus. According to this article Freemasons are out to rule the world. Nothing is further away from the truth, as I, being a Freemason can testify.
Ms. Bouchra assumes in her response to Jos Parbleu that he is a Freemason. Wrongly, as he never suggested it.
Just let it rest.
Anders Wellebeeke at The Dutch Daily points out something else:
I must admit that Ismaili is right about one thing: The ethnically Dutch are rapidly becoming foreigners in their own cities. Today, 36 pct of the Rotterdammers are of non-Western origin, i.e. Surinamese, Turkish or - like Ismaili - Moroccan. Under the age of 21, however, this percentage has risen to approximately 53 pct.
Since I believe very strongly in free speech, I'm not sure if she should be censured for her remarks, although they do sound very much like threats to me. But beyond this, there are two other things that disturb me: 1) If a white Christian politician sent out a similar email, Muslim groups would be up in arms calling for his resignation, and making death threats (but here they are rather silent), and 2) It disturbs me that this is not some anonymous phone caller or an imam during a sermon, but an elected official, which my most definitions would mean that she is supposed to be as assimilated as a immigrant could be expected to be.
Am I still considered an "islamophobe" or a right-wing alarmist if I say that the Netherlands really has a problem?
For some similar problems in the Netherlands in the recent past, look here and here.
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10 comments:
I think we can safely say she has fully assimilated - just not into Dutch society...
I really and truly get so tired of people spouting off about how any Muslim or allochtoon in the Netherlands is somehow a threat to their culture. One-sixteenth is what we (allochtonen) constitute. Frightening, such a figure, isn't it?
This is a society feeding on mass hysteria and paranoia, they love it, it's part of the culture to look toward the doom and gloom and daily, intermittently interject more positive adjectives like "lekker," "mooi" and "gezellig" in order to feel a little better.
As an American living here for over eight years, I've barely been made to feel welcome, get daily frustrated by the lack of simple, human ethics that can easily be found on display here.
If the Netherlands is going down the toilet, they have no one to blame but themselves.
Let's discuss hatred, synonymous with Geert Wilders, there's a shining example of a man brimming with peace and love. How about Theo van Gogh, calling Muslims goatf&ckers. Then there are the throngs of folks I overhear and talk to who spout equally their fair share of diarrhea rhetoric. It's no wonder foreigners, including myself, aren't really interested in integrating into this way of life. Integrating means a departure from human ethics and I just can't bring myself to do that.
I may live here and I may have made a life for myself, but I'll never be Dutch, I'll always be what the Dutch never want me to forget: an allochtoon.
Dear Dee,
I am too an American and have lived in the Netherlands for over five years. I have always felt welcomed and have many Dutch family and friends in and out of the Netherlands. I do not know what part of the Netherlands you live, but I do not share your opinion about the Dutch people, especially about Geert Wilders who is very pro-American.
Sandra V. P.
How fluent is your Dutch and how much do you interact with them, Sandra?
What does Geert Wilders being pro-American have to do with anything? The man is a loose canon.
To Dee - part of the issue is that 1/16th is concentrated in certain problem areas, instead of spread out throughout the whole country. And while very few espouse terrorism, a great many are totally non-integrated, as certain recent riots have shown.
I have also lived in Germany for eight years (although not in one stretch) and have always felt perfectly welcome here. But unlike most Muslims here, I drink beer, eat schnitzel, and allow my children to go to any birthday parties or have whatever friends they want (many Muslim families here don't let their kids socialize).
I wouldn't want to be unwelcoming, but Dee is pulling this 1/16 out of her @$$.
Aproximately 1/5 of the population has a non-Dutch (Western or non-Western) background.
Similarly, the share of "immigrant" babies is 40 thousand on a total of 190 thousand.
But in the major cities non-Western youths alone are starting to outnumber their native peers.
http://statline.cbs.nl/StatWeb/table.asp?LYR=G2:0,G3:0,G4:0&LA=nl&DM=SLNL&PA=37325&D1=a&D2=0-4,136,151,214,231&D3=0&D5=0&D6=a,!0-8&HDR=T&STB=G1,G5
http://statline.cbs.nl/StatWeb/table.asp?TT=2&LA=nl&DM=SLNL&PA=37884&D1=0-4&D2=a&D3=a,!1-35&D4=a&HDR=&STB=G3,G1&LYR=G2:0,T:0
http://statline.cbs.nl/StatWeb/table.asp?HDR=T,G1&LA=nl&DM=SLNL&PA=37713&D1=0&D2=1,3-4,31-32,40-41&D3=26,208,490,568,685-696&D4=0&D5=l&STB=G2&LYR=G4:0,G3:0
Isn't this about those you consider the threat, the non-western allochtonen? Around 1,7 million, I'd hardly call that one-fifth.
Particularly frightening when you look at how the United States developed, isn't it? Foreigners are definitely something to fear.
John, what is integration really about? Everyone has to eat, dress and look like us? That's not integration, that's hegemony.
To Dee, of course integration and/or assimilation shouldn't involve everyone should looking/acting like everyone else. That would be pretty boring.
But immigrating to a country, and rioting, asking for special religious laws and then attacking its people and its values doesn't make any sense. Two supreme examples linked at the bottom of my article above, or a good very recent example is this post at Ander's site, where Dutch-Moroccans are cheering the deaths of Dutch soldiers in Afghanistan.
I have a degree in history, and just don't recall American immigrants (for most of our history) behaving like this. They were usually pretty grateful to be there. Even when we were at war with Japan and locking them in relocation camps, Japanese-Americans still enlisted in the Army in droves. The all-Japanese 100th infantry battalion was the most decorated US Army unit in history. Even when wounded, the men were escaping from the hospitals to rejoin their unit. Somehow, I just can't picture Moroccan-Dutch doing the same thing for the Royal Netherlands Armed forces.
John, I think to look at America as far as immigration is a good model. For example, I know more than a handful of refugees because of the foundation I have here, whose family members live in America. You know how they first relay it to me? "They made it to America." Their family members have been given the chance there that immigrants are in dire need of. They have homes and jobs and have been able to get on with their lives.
The immigrants here just don't seem to ever get that break. Why is that? The migrants, Turkish, Morrocans and other nationalities who began showing up 40+ years ago were just that, migrant workers. When they had the chance to get nationality, they took it, and rightfully so in my opinion. There were a lot of able-bodied Dutch on hand here to do that work, but they just didn't want to work in factories. Some of the stories I've heard from their children, would find your jaw hanging on the floor.
Now, when you deny entry into the job market to their kids, those kids quickly begin to feel disenfranchised, of course you begin to get bitter and hostile. I've experienced the same thing and I'm a westerner, coming here as a legal assistant who has a good command of the language.
Did you know that they came up with the words "allochtoon" and "autochtoon" in the latter part of the last century? The Dutch were thinking in this quasi-apartheid fashion for some time, in fact, as soon as those migrants started having or bringing children here. You can find advertisements for jobs who ask for "accentless" Dutch. There was some time ago a test conducted where they tester sent out resumes with both Dutch surnames and middle eastern surnames. If your name was in the latter category the callback never came.
Here they have co-mingled nationality with ethnic heritage; you may get Dutch nationality, but everyone knows you'll never be "Dutch." Honestly, I've even been told that to my face on numerous occasions.
The truth is that some groups have become more vocal about it than others but the thread of discrimination runs through the life of practically every allochtoon here. I don't agree with celebrating the death of anyone, but I can most certainly understand where it comes from.
Hirsi is probably the best example I can find. There was a woman from a Muslim country who stands up against her own former religion, gets involved in politics, even makes a film that rewards her in the death of the film's co-producer. Yet, at some point, she finds herself dangling on the end of that proverbial pointed spear, stripped of her Dutch citizenship, because a native Dutch person (Rita Verdonk) can't keep her sense of chauvinism in check.
Unless and until there is some REAL leadership shown here, things will continue to get worse. When it gets to the point that the Queen herself addresses the matter, then you know you've got a problem on your hands.
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