Wednesday, August 15, 2007

The Beauchamp controversy: Many Foots in Many Mouths [UPDATED]

This is one of the few articles that has been pure joy to write. A lot of pundits are now eating crow over the Scott Beauchamp affair. I know it's unseemly to be a gloating winner, so I'll refrain from sarcasm and keep the side comments to a minimum.

I'll give a brief background primer for those that haven't been following this: The New Republic printed a story called "Shock Troops", by Scott Thomas Beauchamp, who was at first anonymous, but later identified himself as an infantry soldier in Iraq, and it turned out he was married to a reporter at TNR. The article made some claims about crimes/bad behavior by US soldiers that many military people (including me) and several conservative web sites pointed out were quite impossible. The backlash was so strong that on Aug 2, the editors of TNR claimed they stood firmly by the story, did a "re-investigation", and found only one inconsistency. So the many supporters of The New Republic felt vindicated over what they felt had been dishonest, right-wing smear jobs designed to silence all critics of the war!

This is where the article you are reading now comes in. In the midst of all their premature jubilation, this group, largely clueless of the military and living in ivory towers, wrote many self-congratulating articles that they probably regret now (fortunately, they are all saved in Google's cache).

The reason they probably regret them now (and some must be livid with anger at Beauchamp), is because the Army decided to conduct it's own investigation, and could not find one single soldier to corroborate the TNR or Beauchamp's claims, and decided to impose administrative punishment against him (meaning local restriction only, no court martial). Beauchamp himself refuses to talk to anyone about it now.

Yes, he had his laptop and cell phone confiscated during the investigation, but he still has access to MWR (Morale, Welfare, and Recreation) computers with internet, MWR telephones, Iraqi internet cafes, and the good old-fashioned US Postal Service.

As Mark Steyn puts it:

It seems silly and rather sad for The New Republic to be crawling further and further out on the limb for this guy [Beauchamp] when he's all but sawn it off
But this might be a little harsh. My gut feeling is that PVT Beauchamp never expected that the article would generate so much publicity, or that it would be scrutinized so closely by other veterans. He just wanted to help out/impress his reporter wife, and now that the whole thing has blown up, he wants to keep quiet so he doesn't jeapardize his wife's job at the magazine, and is now hoping the whole thing would just go away. But that's just a guess.

Of course, he has some die-hard fans who will claim that the Army is just covering this up, or is coercing or brainwashing Beauchamp. I can't help people who think this - (there's quite a few that even believe the Moon landing was faked) except to point out, as I remarked before, that his story itself did not stand up to scrutiny. We didn't really even need to do an investigation. In any case, both I and many other military bloggers, warned other bloggers about this a long time ago. Those that tried to hitch their wagons to Beauchamp's star have only themselves to blame now.

Anyway, enjoy. The range of authors here is from the well-known to the truly obscure. In no particular order:

Franklin Foer, editor of TNR (requires media player):
My magazine this last week has been subject of basically a smear job by the Weekly Standard and a lot of the conservative blogosphere over a piece that we published from a soldier in Iraq, which we have gone back and re-reported and it turned out to be aside from one mistake to be the case and I just wish that there was, and this sounds like a trite mainstream media criticism, but that those in the blogosphere who kind of move from one reckless allegation to another reckless allegation for once apologize when they get something wrong.”
(As of right now, Mr. Foer has not apologized for the story)



Andrew Sullivan, on 26 July:
Obviously, my love for TNR and my respect for its new editor, Frank Foer, makes me hope that every single aspect of his [Beauchamp's] stories is true.
(At least he's up front about his biases here. A note of background: Andrew Sullivan used to work for TNR, and is the one who hired Stephen Glass, another well-publicized fraud. That may be why he reacted very differently to this story than he did to this similar 2004 story of fraudulent Iraq abuse photos printed in the British tabloid, The Daily Mirror)

Also, Sullivan on 27 July:
Well, I trawled through the various knuckle-dragging websites and there's still no actual, you know, evidence that he fabricated anything. Maybe he did. First-person war-stories are always hard to verify beyond a shadow of a doubt, no? But if Malkin can't dredge up something and fling it by now, no one can.
Sullivan, again on August 2:
Read TNR's accounting. It is as I predicted: honorable and, except for one small inaccuracy, it checks out. All the aspects aggressively challenged by the usual propaganda organs have been verified and corroborated. The military is now conducting its own investigation. Given the record of such formal investigations, I'm not as confident in the Pentagon as I am in TNR. Can we now expect apologies from the people who smeared and maligned the magazine and its soldier-reporter? I doubt it. The attackers are not the kind to acknowledge their own errors.
(Neither, apparently, is Andrew Sullivan. As of right now, he has not issued an apology for these statements)




Matthew Yglesias on 26 July:
as best I can tell nobody has yet brought forward any serious reason to doubt his story...
All these people [Beauchamp's critics] need to stop. They need to take a deep breath. They need to apologize to the people at TNR who've wasted huge amounts of time dealing with their nonsense.
And Yglesias again on 2 Aug:
Well, it looks like The Weekly Standard and the right-wing blogosphere really turn out to have the goods be full of shit... Nevertheless, despite being totally wrong, it's arguably mission accomplished for the right...And there you have it -- if the troops say things the right doesn't like, they get mau-maued into silence. Meanwhile, anyone who says the war may not be so fantastic hates the troops.



Glenn Greenwald, at Salon.com:
I would simply add that right-wing troop-exploiters always reserve their most hateful, vicious and deeply personal attacks for soldiers and veterans who deviate from their political church



Ezra Klein on American Prospect:
these people are thugs. They freaked out about The New Republic's anonymous diarist because his words clashed with the childish mythology they've constructed around the US Military. Despite lacking any actual evidence disproving or even calling into question his story, they were able to make enough noise to spark an investigation and media attention.
Also, later:
If Beauchamp is indeed a liar, I'll be surprised



Jon Swift, on his blog:
even though no one has proven a single factual inaccuracy, this did not discourage our brave milbloggers. Nor did the fact that Scott Thomas does exist and is a soldier do anything to give his story more credence. In fact, knowing the author's real name makes it even easier to discredit him [sarcasm].



Kevin Drum at Washington Monthly:
you can already see how this is going to play out. Not only will Thomas's character be dragged savagely through the mud (Michelle Malkin is leading the charge over at her site), but eventually some small part of Thomas's account will turn out to be slightly exaggerated and the right will erupt in righteous fervor



Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo:
Imagining that every story that doesn't kowtow to the Bush personality cult is another Rathergate in the making, the rightwing blogosphere exploded with a wave of accusations and fabrications, all alleging in one fashion or another that the stories were made up. The charges even got recycled and trumpeted in the Washington Post.

Unfortunately for them, TNR did a in-depth re-fact-check of the pieces (which given the Glass backstory, was, I am sure, extremely thorough) and with the exception of one relatively minor error they all check out.



Digby at his/her blog:
now that they know he does in fact exist, they are working their way into a complete frenzy going after this soldier as if he were al Qaeda and acting as though the hawkish New Republic has just endorsed Cindy Sheehan for president. It's like watching a bunch of piranhas attack some kids who accidentally fell into the water.

I have never been to war... But if you have the habit of reading books you will have come across descriptions of war that make your hair stand on end. (Emphasis mine)



Steve Benen on the "Carpetbagger Report":
A U.S. soldier was in the right’s good graces until he strayed from the party line and noted the personal toll the war has taken on him and his compatriots. For that, he’s been smeared, rather viciously.




Professor Brad DeLong's blog:
When the New Republic published Scott Thomas, the right-wing slime machine swung into action:



Robert Farley at Lawyers, Guns, and Money wrote:
very simple, people. A TNR diarist wrote about a series of events. Righties freaked out, insisting that the stories couldn’t possibly be true. Lefties didn’t assert that it was true, but insisted that it could be factual. Battle ensues. It turns out that the story is, apart from an irrelevant detail, true.



Harto, at Democraticdaily:
the Wingnuts of the rightie hate machine have launched a typically mindless, reflexive attack on the Columbia Journalism Review for having the temerity to toss some water on the bonfire of the vanities that the “milbloggers” and the drooling wingnuts are up in arms about: the ‘high tech lynching’ to discredit, destroy and either jail or frag Private Beauchamp



"dday", a diarist at Daily Kos:
But the insaneosphere doesn't want to deal with that, so they attack a member of the military personally. It's revolting. It's grade-A thuggery. To protect the President and his failed war, they will frag an American soldier. Nice people.



"Catwoman" at Democratic underground:
Since the wingnut blogs are scrambling to try to discredit him, good for Scott for coming out from the shadows. Will he get apologies for all the ugliness they’ve thrown at him? I don’t think so either…



Upyernoz at the Rubber Hose blog (through Huffington Post):
they shift gears and declare that beauchamp (the now non-anonymous soldier) must be destroyed and so they set out to smear him, his patriotism, his honesty, his military service, pretty much everything. what started as a comedy is now turning into a tragedy.

for me, this whole thing just confirms that a lot of the bigwigs of right blogistan (i'm referring to people like malkin, ace, the folks of hotair, townhall, powerline, the corner, etc.) are quickly losing touch with reality



Jonathan Swartz at Tiny Revolution, wrote:
At first it seems amazing that Orwell [in his book "1984"] could have precisely described today's right-wing blurgh world sixty years ago. But the right-wing blurghs are just an outgrowth of human nature, which never changes...



Gavin M. at SadlyNo:
1) WingNet accuses soldier/journalist of being an impostor.

2) WingNet proven wrong.

3) WingNet backfills, engages motorized goalposts, attacks with redoubled fury.

3.5) Developing: WingNet completely loses narrative; forms digital lynch mob; redefines success to mean utterly destroying the targeted person by any means available, short of leaving the safety of their heavily-farted computer chairs.
(Hey Gavin, I ran 3 miles this morning, starting at 0630 AM. How is your exercise regimen going?)



Steven Perez at "Empty Head":
Even when all of their [The TNR's critics] claims are proven to be dead wrong, they still twist themselves into hyperbolic pretzels in a vain attempt to prove to anyone who will listen that they were correct all along.



Ryan at "flickertail":
So the whole affair is incredibly stupid and the right-wingers prove they don’t care about truth, especially in journalism.



Wolfgang at "statistical mechanic"
The story of brave right-wing bloggers sitting at home, trying to discredit a soldier serving in Iraq.



"Apostropher" wrote:
I really should set up an f-key to insert the text "you'd think they'd get tired of being 100% wrong about everything, but you'd be mistaken".



Now, since the Army's findings have been made known, Beauchamp's defenders have been rather quiet. Very quiet. For the few who mentioned the episode since then, there has been a bit of backpedaling and trying to change the subject. The theme now seems to be that now the truth/untruth really doesn't matter, because the article wasn't going to change the war anyway (although I couldn't find anyone who ever claimed that it would):

John Cole, at the "Balloon Juice" Blog:
My position on Beauchamp has been clear- who cares?
(This is after he has blogged about Beauchamp no less than 14 times. For comparison, I have done it only three times)
Really, while you all are trying to excuse your chest-thumping groupthink by claiming “TERRIBLE CRIMES HAVE BEEN COMMITTED” and whipping yourself into a lather screaming about how much this hurts the troops and it just can’t be true, the rest of us are looking at you and wondering what the hell is wrong with you. First, the enemy doesn’t read TNR. They really don’t. Al Qaeda in Iraq is not going to justify their next IED because Beauchamp reported that some GI’s made fun of a woman in a mess hall.
...
The funniest thing in all of this is that there is no way to prove one way or another Beauchamp is lying, but now, even if Beauchamp is lying, he comes out looking better than the asshole armchair commandos attacking him.



Matthew Yglesias:
The Beauchamp article, meanwhile, no matter how true or false it may be, has no implications whatsoever. "This dude killed some dogs, therefore we should leave Iraq" would be an absurd argument.



One common theme I saw through all these web sites was the claim that Beauchamp was being smeared, attacked, & dragged through the mud, even threatened. There were some anonymous comments like that (just like you see for all public figures), but I never saw any columnists take cheap shots or threaten him. They certainly treated him more nicely than Jon Stewart or Steven Colbert would have done...

Personally, I didn't call him anything other than a liar. But as far as I'm concerned, I have no beef with Beauchamp now. The Army officially handled the problem and it's finished. Now he's another ordinary soldier, just trying to get by in Iraq. For now, he needs to concentrate on that.


UPDATE 08/15/2007 10:35:00 PM:
Wow - Thanks to Little Green Footballs for linking here. The response is like an avalanche! I added a little more on John Cole above, and changed "Digby" to his/her (if that's really important).

And here are some more priceless web articles that the authors would now probably prefer to forget:

Scott Lemieux at Lawyers, Gun, and Money:
Showing how much my instincts can be trusted, the "Scott Thomas" story turns out to have been solid, with the only demonstrable error a trivial detail irrelevant to the main thrust to the story.



Kathy at "Shakespeare's Sister":
All of the behavior and incidents Beauchamp described were confirmed by other soldiers in Beauchamp's unit... Have you ever remembered an incident accurately, and you know it happened that way, but you just get the time or the place mixed up? Apparently that never happens to right-wingers who are blinded by their ideological hatred for anyone who implies that U.S. troops could ever be anything but blameless, noble heroes



John Quiggan at "Crooked Timber":
The Beauchamp case fits the general pattern pretty well. First, the wingers claimed that the Diary was a fabrication and that “Scott Thomas” was the creation of a writer who’d never been near Iraq. Then, when it became evident he was a real person, they rolled out the slime machine to discredit him. Then they engaged in amateur forensics to discredit particular items in his account



Gary at Easter Lemming Liberal News:
TNR reconfirms nearly all details of the formerly anonymous soldier's stories. Shamed right-wing nuts lead by Ace of Spades, among many others, spin more furiously. The one wrong detail is significant, the story is correct, the location is wrong, but overall by my count it is another swing and a foul ball by the usual collection of idiots. This ended up mainly demonstrated the right blogger's lack of military knowledge and experience and their ability to raise a hue and cry over nothing.



Jay Stevens at "Left in the West" wrote:
So...remember the brouhaha over Scott Thomas Beauchamp, the miliblogger for The New Republic? His anecdotes check out.
Case closed, right?

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, not so fast! Hugh Hewitt, Michael Goldfarb, Michelle Malkin twist their panties in histrionics



UPDATE 08/16/2007 11:16:00 PM:
I'll make one thing clear. Some people claim that because the army botched the Jessica Lynch and Pat Tillman investigations, then they can't be trusted here. The problem is, the comparison is not apt, and the cases weren't "botched". In both these cases, the subject him/herself was not able to help investigators. Lynch remembers almost nothing, and Tillman was killed. So you can understand why it took a little while to get to the truth. Moreover, the rumors about Jessica Lynch, fueled by a hungry media, started before there was a real investigation. And her entire convoy was either killed or being held by the Iraqis, so they weren't much help either. Anyway, in both these cases, it was Army investigators who found out what happened, and released it to the public (although Tillman's investigators inexplicitly held their info for few days before telling the family). If the Army wanted to bury it, we still would think Lynch was a combat hero and Tillman was killed by the Taliban. In any case, I would like to see some evidence here before I would accuse them of a cover-up.

But even if you instinctively just can't trust the Army at all, that doesn't matter (But remember, Beauchamp is in the Army too). Just look at the hard evidence of the matter, the circumstantial evidence, and the fact that Beauchamp himself is refusing to comment on the matter any further. The fact that his supporters are very quiet now is pretty telling too.

And incidentally, if by some fluke, powerful evidence came up that said that Beauchamp was telling the truth, and the Army was involved in a big cover up, would I apologize? Damn straight I would, right on the front page of my blog. It's called honesty and integrity, and if I didn't make a real effort at it, then my blog would be pretty worthless wouldn't it?

Speaking of that, I still have yet to see any kind of apology from any one of the individuals I quoted above. I wonder how long I'll have to wait?


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64 comments:

Tammy said...

Thank you! Thank the troops you work with, God bless you all!

Anonymous said...

Great list. Looks exhaustive, but I'd bet there's more entries. And I'd bet 80% of these bloggers can't, or won't, post corrections. A lot like the NY Times, et al.

Don Miguel said...

Nice collection of examples of cognitive dissonance!

And thank you for your service (BTW, my son is a JTAC and was attached to the 1-1 around the same time you were, but he didn't deploy until the next year with the 2ID).

gcotharn said...

Re: John Cole's comment that "Al Qaeda doesn't read TNR"

American media does read TNR, and American media does target American public opinion.

We would have endured a parade of media pundits and media cable TV guests/experts, throwing out litanies of wrongdoingds by Americans in Iraq, and one of the wrongdoings in the lists would've frequently been: slicing dogs in half with Bradley Fighting Vehicles. The mental image WOULD'VE contributed to turning public opinion against OIF. Exposing Beauchamp's lie does matter.

upyernoz said...

thanks for the link. but i think you misunderstood the "tragedy" i was referring to in my post.

the reason i said that the right was losing touch with reality is because beauchamp himself doesn't matter. he gave an account of what he experienced--just one perspective among thousands. so who cares?

the reason the right seemed to care is because they wanted to prove the anti-war agenda of TNR. the problem is that TNR has no anti-war agenda. it's been consistently pro-iraq war from the beginning and still regularly publishes articles defending the war.

the strangeness of the beauchamp matter is that the right is still disconnected from reality. there was very little activity on the left "defending" what beauchamp said. instead there was a lot of puzzlement and pointing about how the right was going apeshit over something like this from a pro-war publication (and if you really reread yglesias' various post you'll find that point is a running theme in all his posts). i find it amusing that one month later you still don't seem to get it.

tbogg said...

Using your methodology where, if one fact is wrong the whole machine crumbles, I'd like to point out that Digby is a woman.

Too bad. After all that work proving....I dunno...something.

Oligonicella said...

"he gave an account of what he experienced--just one perspective among thousands. so who cares?"

People who give a crap about truth in news. You don't? OK.

He didn't experience it, it was a fictional story.

Purple Avenger said...

if one fact is wrong the whole machine crumbles...

Lies are like cockroaches. There is never just one.

Roundhead said...

**the reason i said that the right was losing touch with reality is because beauchamp himself doesn't matter. he gave an account of what he experienced--just one perspective among thousands. so who cares?**

this beauchamp has been exposed as a fake and now it's, "who cares?"

thanks for the roundup achilles - I'm sure sock-puppet Greenwald will soon be making one of his own tedious lists to show how one Republican/conservative contradicts another, and so "these Republicans are so contradictory!"

keep on truckin

Pickle said...

Well, looks like the leftwingnutosphere still wants to try to change the subject, judging from some of the comments here.

Too bad. Not happening.

You traitors defended someone making ludicrous assertions about the conduct of fighting-men. You did it because you hate the military--the very concept of a military frightens and revolts you, and you perceive the men serving in it as either innocent dupes or brutal thugs with nowhere else to go. In either case, the military will turn them into unthinking, callous monsters.

Now that it's been proven, once again, that efforts to dishonour the men and women serving were a pile of rubbish, you're desperately trying to distract from what you did and why. Too bad, it's not going to work. You've reinforced your hostility towards our men in jeopardy, and demonstrated why no one should take you clowns seriously when you talk about what's going on in various battlefronts including Iraq.

And why we should break out in laughter when you condemn us for questioning your patriotism or your support for the troops.

Glen Wishard said...

Excellent work.

There's an all-you-can-eat special at the Crow Buffet, and all these people are invited.

Anonymous said...

What a bunch of jerk-offs. The only people more obnoxious and useless than the "political class" is the imported "commentary class". Who cares what A. Sullivan or the iranian guy have to say about anything?

Anonymous said...

Great work Achilles! Thank you very much for posting these excerpts. You allow the lefty writers and commenters to expose themselves for what they are without hardly saying a word yourself.

The defenders of TNR would probably like all of this to go away and be forgotten, but I want it kept in the air until TNR publicly apologizes and admits they published lies that damage the reputation of the entire military. Some of the commentors you cite act like their lies are nothing, so what's the big deal? I have a son serving in a dangerous part of Baghdad. He and his fellow soldiers have lost six good friends to IED attacks in the past few weeks. One close friend lost his leg. My son and his unit are carrying on in a professional manner in spite of the burden of grief they carry.

Most of these young men probably have told some tall tales around the campfire, and they may have laughed to keep from crying sometimes. They don't try to split dogs with a BFV, they don't ridicule people disfigured by IEDs, and they don't prance around with children's skull bones on their heads all day. They are not surrounded by other soldiers who do these things or who double up in laughter. The incidents that Beauchamp described and that TNR published all smell fishy or read phony to anyone with half a brain, even if no one had investigated anything.

TNR does do its part to influence public opinion and now is helping to carry on the myths that in general, soldiers are callous oafs who didn't do well in school and therefore didn't have any other options but the military.

I can forgive Franklin Foer and his cohorts, I can forgive Scott Beauchamp, but they aren't going to get away with a "Winter Soldier" replay at the expense of the soldiers now serving in Iraq, so that a bunch of alternate universe metrosexuals and Starbuck's pseudo-intellectuals can click their tongues, roll their eyes and press for public policy that is driven by their false sense of superiority.

Franklin Foer ought admit his magazine didn't properly fact-check and therefore printed ugly lies as the truth; he ought to apologize. It will be hard to lose face but it is not impossible. He'll come out of it a better man.

We'll see.

Xanthippas said...

The reason they probably regret them now (and some must be livid with anger at Beauchamp), is because the Army decided to conduct it's own investigation, and could not find one single soldier to corroborate the TNR or Beauchamp's claims, and decided to impose administrative punishment against him (meaning local restriction only, no court martial). Beauchamp himself refuses to talk to anyone about it now.

So, TNR's assertions must be rigorously fact-checked but the Army's report is accepted at face value. If that's the standard of evidence round these parts, then gladly line me up for some crow.

upyernoz said...

this beauchamp has been exposed as a fake and now it's, "who cares?"

no, it was always "who cares?"

i mean this post selectively quoted from my post at rubber hose about the matter. but click on the link and read the last three paragraphs. my entire point was that the right has lost any sense of perspective, with the mania over beauchamp as exhibit A.

in fact, if you go back and actually read the "debate" about beauchamp that happened in the leftwing blogs, you won't see a debate about whether beauchamp was right or wrong, but rather you'll see a debate over whether the rightwingers going crazy over beauchamp were funny or just sad for going nuts over such a thing.

and this very post is further evidence that even after a month, you haven't noticed that once you leave your subculture, people are simply laughing at you. which is why i think the whole thing is more sad than funny. i just feel sorry for you guys. you've lost all sense of perspective. i even said that, straight out, in my post. you quote that same point here, but still seem to utterly miss the point.

which, i guess, was my point.

letters said...

So you figure that the army's investigation of itself is credible?

That's like asking the murderer to be the chief investigator of the crime.

Anonymous said...

All this spin from the left is making me dizzy.....

huxley said...

Yes, good work, Achilles!

I followed much commmentary on the Beauchamp affair with a dumb amazement that TNR and the left-liberal community just couldn't back down--apparently couldn't even see--how untenable Beauchamp's stories were, how inadequate TNR's defense was, and that such false stories function as propaganda against our soldiers and for the enemy.

Capitalist Infidel said...

What's sad and not at all funny is far left wing fanatical kooks and vicious military haters like upyernoz think it's no big deal to smear our troops in the field.

Mike said...

You sound as if you're entitled to more than "OK, you were right. This onr time. Probably."

Xanthippas said...

What's sad and not at all funny is far left wing fanatical kooks and vicious military haters like upyernoz think it's no big deal to smear our troops in the field.

Yes, because a soldier writing about his own experiences is the same as "smearing" the troops in the field. Which just goes to show that you can't get any credibility for being willing to fight in Iraq, unless you're willing to write the "correct" accounts about surging and the honor of our troops and the soaring eagle, etc., etc.

Anonymous said...

Many (most) of these commentators have posted on the subject after the Army's investigation. They didn't eat crow because, um, they were not proven wrong. The army's secret self-serving investigation (Tillman?) has no credibility. For example, here's Josh Marshall's take on the supposed army report (which has never been released):

If you've been following the Scott Thomas Beauchamp Affair, I strongly recommend reading the latest update from The New Republic. The short version is that the Army's investigation of the case appears to be confined to a) releasing no information about their investigation or details of its findings, b) leaking alleged details to the Weekly Standard, which no one will confirm on the record and c) keeping Beauchamp himself in communications lockdown where no one but family members in monitored conversations can communicate with him.

Perhaps Beauchamp made this stuff up. And that's not a throwaway line; I freely concede it may turn out to be the case. There's no getting around the fact that the legacy of the Glass Affair puts an extra hurdle of credibility in TNR's way.

But the behavior of the Army Public Affairs Office suggests that what they are pushing is not an investigation that would pass any muster in the light of day but a war against a particular article and publication.

And not to put too fine a point on it, but going back over recent years -- the WMD stories, al Qaeda link, the Iraq War and more -- when you've got the goods, you take it to a real press outlet. When you're blowing smoke, you take it to the Standard.

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upyernoz said...

i hate the military?

capitalist infidel's mindreading powers fail again!

look guys, TNR is a pro-war publication. it was the flagship of the hawks in the democratic party. it's been cheering on the war since 2002.

come out from your online circle-jerk, go outside and ask the first random person you meet about beauchamp. i guarantee you'll get a blank stare. and yet you're acting as if the entire war effort depends upon the reflections of a single person that was published in a consistently pro-war magazine.

i'm repeating myself, but it bears repeating. the liberal blogosphere didn't defend beauchamp--it didn't mobilize to argue over whether what he said was true or false. to the extent it paid any attention at all, it just pointed at right blogistan and laughed as they lost their friggin minds.

M. Simon said...

Original story:

I was a good person, but war made me do bad things.

New version:

I was a bad person before I was in the war and the war only made me worse.

TNR is known by the company it keeps.

jcrue said...

Personally, I think Beauchamp's tales matter a great deal. They paint a picture of dishonor, inhumanity, and a despicable behavior on the part of the men and women of our military.

Any false or exaggerated stories that paint that picture reflect on everyone who has worn the uniform or holds those people in high esteem.

For me, it is personal. I wore the uniform. I joined because I thought it was my duty to follow in the footsteps of my father and grandfathers who all served in time of war and made great sacrifices to provide me with the life from which I have benefited so greatly. I owed them at least what they did for me - service to the country.

If these stories were true I would want to bury anyone involved in a deep hole and let my platoon clean their boots on the heads that stuck out from the dirt. The same goes for those who would falsely accuse fellow servicemembers of actions like Beauchamp described and the same fate would fall upon the story-teller.

One of the biggest differences I have seen since leaving the military is that things like integrity, honor, and character matter to some and it is easy to see to whom these ideas matter not.

That is why this is important. You cannot cast accusations of dishonor and depravity on people who took their service to the United States seriously and expect them not to be vetted to the n'th degree.

The case has clearly been made that Private Beauchamp did not take his service seriously based on his own writings. He mission was to earn the gravitas to speak out about the military from a privileged point of view and write about his experiences - not to serve this country.

Well he took the chance to speak about the military, and he is paying the price for doing so in such a dishonorable manner. The good thing is that all this story-telling was done during, and not after the fact, where Beauchamp's tales cold be rebutted by those who are there.

One final note: Do not make the mistake of assigning the same ethical or moral standards to the critics this blog's author has highlighted as you would find in the rank and file of our military (and it's supporters to an extent).

There is only one place in this nation where ideals like honor, integrity, and duty are taught and practiced - the military.

The individual soldier, airman, sailor, guardsman, or Marine may fail to rise to the lofty standards taught to them from their first day in uniform. But it is better to have tried and failed than to have never tried.

That is why this matters to someone like me.

Afterall is said and done, it is not their honor to maintain and it is not their dishonor to bear.

That's why it is so easy for someone like Andrew Sullivan or the rest of that gaggle to say, "who cares?"

Little Thom said...

Why do you leave such an easy Achilles Tendon?

The Army investigation, even if they had gone on the record with its results (they haven't and you should know this, and therefore should note that to be fully forthcoming in this post), can't by anybody with any healthy sense of honesty be used as "proof" of anything.

How many known fraudulent Army investigations would one have to cite to make that understood?

Sine that is the lynchpin of your entire "evisceration" here, I think you've got to get yourself a new Eviscerator.

JR said...

To "Letters" and the last anonymous poster, yes I tend to believe the Army more, because I'm in the Army.

But here's the beauty of it. I don't have to listen to them, or TNR's "investigation". If you look at my earlier posts here and here you will see that the things claimed in "Shock Troops" were simply impossible.

I don't know anything about the "leaks" of the memo that Beauchamp supposedly signed, so I haven't commented on that one way or the other.

If you go to the link I provided earlier, you will find that the Army says he's free to talk to who he wants. And on FOB Falcon, there are dozens of ways to use internet or phones. Every third soldier has got a cell phone, for crying out loud. They can't tightly control his communications unless he's in confinement. But in that case, he could simply sent a regular letter in the mail (You don't even need a stamp when sending from Iraq!), or as a last resort, he would still have an attorney he could speak through. Anyway, you don't go to confinement from an administrative punishment.

Incidentally, I don't have to go to the Weekly Standard. The Army's statements have been published in the NYT, WaPo, and others. I waited until the Army's official word was reported in other outlets.

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jcrue said...

So "thom" are you saying that all Army investigations are fraudulent?

Do you have any evidence to present that indicates that this particular Army investigation was fraudulent?

Do you have any evidence to present that those involved in the Army's investigation performed their duties in a fraudulent manner?

To be sure, I'm not exactly sure you know much more about what is involved in a formal military investigation beyond how to spell the words and what you have been told and what you have decided to believe. I am just trying to figure out where you come from to claim such authority in regard to what happens in the military.

Or could it be that you are just as guilty of the same knee-jerk, run-home-to-momma, don't-harsh-my-paradigm reactions of which you accuse others?

Little Thom said...

jcrue

What silliness.

So "thom" are you saying that all Army investigations are fraudulent?

No.

Do you have any evidence to present that indicates that this particular Army investigation was fraudulent?

No. (Do have any to present that it wasn't?)

Do you have any evidence to present that those involved in the Army's investigation performed their duties in a fraudulent manner?

Ibid.

To be sure, I'm not exactly sure you know much more about what is involved in a formal military investigation beyond how to spell the words and what you have been told and what you have decided to believe. I am just trying to figure out where you come from to claim such authority in regard to what happens in the military.

Spell what words? And I claim no authority, only knowledge of past events. And do you mind if I refer that question to Kevin Tillman?

Or could it be that you are just as guilty of the same knee-jerk, run-home-to-momma, don't-harsh-my-paradigm reactions of which you accuse others?

I'm not running, crue, I'm right here. And it's your turn, though I don't think you have much room to wiggle. But go ahead.

(And you don't have to put my name in quote marks. It's my name. "Crue.")

JP said...

I love the leftist defenses given here.
"Don't Trust the military to investigate!!!" and they give Tillman as an example.
But.
The same military is the one Pointing out the story on Tillman.
TNR "Rereported" (which means they reprinted it like the first time?) the story and found one little thing wrong and all others were substantiated by unknown sources.
Of course, the one thing wrong was berating a burn victom to prove war makes you course, but STB hadn't yet been to war....a little bit of a hole in his story.
They claim the Right-o-sphere claimed he didn't exist, when many said (paraphrasing the many)"IF He Does Exist, And Is In The Army, He is Most Likely Lying. If He Is Not Lying, There Is Some Hell To Pay"
Others on the right started pointing out the holes in the stories...unlikely events... near impossible occurrences...
Others did what TNR refuses to do. Fact Check. Simple e-mails to the maker of the Bradley. Sources in Iraq (military and civilian). Fire Arms experts. Former Bradley drivers.....

Once the military took to investigating, STB changed his tune quickly, If he lied, and admits it right off, he gets simple punishment, which it seems he has suffered before (an ax to grind, mayhap?) being busted from PFC to PV2. If he was lying and refused to admit it, then is proven lying, after it is investigated, he faces possible severe punishment.
If the stories are true, he is at the least an accomplice to war crimes. Worse, possibly guilty of them himself. Oops.

mpowell said...

The army could shit in your mouths, tell you its chocolate, and you'd lick your lips and ask for more. That doesn't mean the rest of us take everything they say at face value.

Little Thom said...

What mpowell said.

JP said...

forgot the part where it appears he was an active member of the anti-war movement...well before joining the military, and writing stories disparaging the military.

Capitalist Infidel said...

"The army could shit in your mouths, tell you its chocolate, and you'd lick your lips and ask for more. That doesn't mean the rest of us take everything they say at face value."

But the left "supports the troops" right?

Can we question their patriotism yet?

Little Thom said...

Capitinfidel

You think "the Army" is the troops? You're joking, right?

And the "them" you're referring to includes numerous members of the military, highlighting the ridiculousness of your statement and thinking.

Anonymous said...

Hey Pickle (and all you other "patriots"),

F*ck each and every one of you. Y'all can take your false indignation and shove it up your ass sideways.

Karridine said...

"That doesn't mean the rest of us take everything they say at face value."

Unless its Franklin Foer offering his investigative reporting of the 'facts' of the Beauchamp incident and YOU take it at face value, even though Foer has YET to reveal names behind the 'anonymous' sources, or reveal names of people who corroborate Beauchamp's story, and even though Foer's admitted 'tiny, irrelevant error' is actually the central core of the Beauchamp story, moving the lurid soul-twisting events OUT OF war-ugly Iraq and placing them in war-free Kuwait!

Beauchamp, under oath, admits to lying. The Army finds that NO ONE from among Beauchamp's peers CORROBORATES Beauchamp's story.

The best Xanthippa and upyrnose and others can do is say 'people who rationally NOTICE these facts are irrational, bigoted, smearing and wrong'? (paraphrasing here)

Anonymous said...

The reactionary left sees nothing wrong, or even actively defends what Beauchamp wrote.

That says an awful lot about the left.

What a bunch of despicable haters.

Little Thom said...

Karradine

I didn't notice Beauchamp's stories until I noticed all the hubbub on the RW blogs about them. And I thought to myself, "Why are they acting like this is a big deal?"

Little Thom said...

anon.

You've got me pegged: I friggin' hate despicable.

Good Lieutenant said...

Linked you at Jawa Report.

We had our own little coterie of crapheads lining up to defend the Baghdad Fabulist.

Nice work, soldier.

Brad said...

Thank you for doing the work compiling the knee-jerk reactions of the defenders of Beauchump and the unobjective 'professional journalism' of TNR.

Yes the silence from the moonbat crowd has been deafening since the whole truth came out. I tried to warn Kevin Drum his triumphalism was premature, but he has turned into a party-line hack since his blog transformed from californiapundit.com into washingtonmonthly.com.

What frightens me is these 'truthers' are just one presidential election away from wielding power as extensively as they did in the bad old days of 1993-1994. Oh joy.

Good Lieutenant said...

You think "the Army" is the troops? You're joking, right?

Interesting. Let me try something.

You think that "the Democrats" is the left? You're joking right?

letters said...

Until this whole thing is investigated by an *independent* board of inquiry, there's not much use gloating or speculating or what-not.
But look at your own city. If there were corruption charges against the mayor's office, and the mayor announced that he himself had done an internal investigation and found no corruption, would you believe it?

Anonymous said...

The claims by defenders that Beauchamp stories - true or not - don't matter and that these are just the views of one person don't make sense, not that the defenders can make sense.

What makes it important is that TNR found it important enough to publish. The only reason that they were found important enough to publish is that they were intended to represent something larger - a broader depravity and dehumanization if you will. If these were just the anomalous views of one person, they wouldn't merit publication in a journal such as TNR.

Once TNR found them important enough to publish - a decision that explicitly acknowledges the "importance" of the stories - whether the stories are true or not now matters greatly to TNR's credibility.

And it matters greatly to the people who feel defamed by the broader implications - troops who behave honorably and those who believe in the broad honor of the troops and the U.S. effort in Iraq. If this was anomalous behavior and therefore meaningless as suggested, it should have never risen to level of meriting publication.

If it was published, and was not important, it should have at least been characterized as such with editorial commentary placing it in the perspective being described by defenders. TNR has never said it was meaningless or merely the anomalous actions of one soldier.

That wouldn't make sense. "Hey, we just published something that was meaningless and anomalous and not representative of anything larger - please keep reading."

jim treacher said...

The whole point of having military police is that they're independent of the military, right? I'll admit that my only knowledge of this comes from Lee Child novels, but is an MP investigation really like putting a murderer in charge of his own case? Isn't that like saying, "Well, the murder took place NYC, which is where the cop investigating it lives. How is that fair?"

Anonymous said...

It's quite true that The New Republic supported the invasion of Iraq. New editor Franklin Foer evidently wanted to distance himself from that.

I much enjoy the discomfiture of those leftists who have been proven wrong. It's only fair to acknowledge one admitted leftist who has been proven resoundingly right. That would be writer-editor-semioticist John Barnes, who read the "Shock Troops" articles and pronounced them the work of a macho poseur recent graduate of a university creative writing program. If anyone reading this hasn't yet read that piece, you're in for a treat. Here's the link:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/post/PLNK1A3L4YEO74C19

Anonymous said...

Oh oh, looks like you need to use Tiny URL to post a long link!

HERE'S the excellent Barnes piece:

http://tinyurl.com/2yv4jy

Anonymous said...

Gee, after begging the question, ignoring all cogent points, and cherry-picking various blogs, what have we left? The sad, unimaginative ad hominems of you and your coterie, squawking impotently WE WON! WE WON!

Alas, Achilles, you've only proven once again that your greatest claim to fame is in being a heel.

Now, roll over. You must be tired from all that fetching.

Anonymous said...

Beauchamp's 'reporting' was fraudulent in its intent, accepted uncritically by people paid to know better, and promoted by people with disturbing agendas.

The best proof of Beauchamp's dishonesty is his continued silence.

jcrue said...

thanks for the laugh, "thom"

the term "run home to momma" refers to a person's proclivity to return to things they believe instead of broadening their viewpoint. It is a return to thing they "know to be true" whether they are or not.

And sure, bring Kevin Tillman on board I would love to express my sadness for his family's loss and how they was treated by individuals playing CYA in the Army. I can be intellectually honest about the military. People like Beauchamp are not.

Anonymous said...

The best proof of Beauchamp's dishonesty is his continued silence.

Since he's silent because the Army's not allowing him to talk to anyone, that would seem to imply you agree the Army's continued silence means something. But I'm sure that's not what you really meant, since that would be logical.

Erik Rader said...

To everyone asking why to care about this issue, I have but this to say.

I care, because STB's stories disparaged not only himself (they showed him to be rather callous and inhumane), but also his squad-mates and peers. More importantly, because human nature being human nature, since this is the behavior that was being publicized, it served to instill negative (and false) impressions on those who have never worn the uniform, which in this day and age are rapidly spread throughout the world.

I served this country with pride, and while I'm grateful I never had to see combat, I'm a realist enough to know that people do bad things and that people also get jaded. I have no problems with true stories about the mental effects of combat coming to light.

Where I do have a problem is when a demonstrably false story is allowed to see the light of day by a well-respected magazine that should have performed true due-diligence to fact-check the story.

I also have a problem with people on either side of the discussion being unwilling to step back and say "Wow, what a load of crap that turned out to be". If someone can't be intellectually honest enough to admit they championed a BS story, that just means they lack the integrity and intestinal fortitude necessary to be a valid voice in the discussion.

Otter said...

'he gave an account of what he experienced--just one perspective among thousands. so who cares?'


What part of: This worthless bastard lied through his teeth don't you leftists get?

God Almighty. Next ya'll be claiming barack hussein obama did not say that we were just indiscriminately bombing women and children in Afghanistan (much like clinton actually Did do in Bosnia).

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Stout Republican said...

I'm confused...the left always tells me that because I support the war I should go join up, otherwise I'm just a "Chickenhawk". Then they slander the military as liars, wrong, "shit in mouths" types. So...if I don't join, I'm not allowed to talk. If I do join, I'm part of a corrupt military industrial complex that manufactures lies and kills civilians, and therefore by proxy, I'm evil...and everything I say is a lie.

The only way around criticism is for me to join the military, and publish stories that are factually incorrect, but have an anti-military spin on them. Then those people who would consider criticizing me, then would remain silent on the issue.

Good Lieutenant said...

Since he's silent because the Army's not allowing him to talk to anyone, that would seem to imply you agree the Army's continued silence means something.The Army actually said that he can speak to anyone he wants to. He's not talking.

Your last update on this story was apparently two weeks ago - right as it started.

Typical of someone who wants to have an opinion without knowing the facts first.

Cousin Dave said...

The thing that gets me about this whole thing is that any soldier who served in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, or almost any other war would have immediatedely recognized the tales told by Beauchamp. They were all legands and tales that have probably been spread by soldiers everywhere since time immemorial. Just change the time, place, and manner, and the described incidents could have just as easily "happened" at an RAF airbase in England in 1943, or in Saigon in 1969. I was a teenager during Vietnam, and I recall older brothers of friends coming back from 'Nam with very similar tales. In fact, there was a version of the skull-cap thing that circulated which was nearly identical to the version that Beauchamp wrote. If you believe Beauchamp, you may as well believe in Paul Bunyan, fairy boots, and Bigfoot.

jim treacher said...

Since he's silent because the Army's not allowing him to talk to anyone...

Who said the Army is preventing him from talking to anyone? Oh yeah: TNR. And why would they make something like that up? The Army said he's allowed to talk to whoever he wants now that the investigation is over, but they're bad and also liars because they're the Army. I'm logical!

thudlike said...

Nice to expose all these wanna-be 'journalists' with their own words.
I looked but didn't find any retractions, apologies for any of their wrong-headed screeds. Admitting mistakes/bad calls is not a lefty hallmark (AKA intellectual dishonesty). Some people are just so passionately/publicly hateful towards people of a different political bent- they are blind to reality.
Thanks again for your blog.

JWF said...

Arrg! This is why I do not read comments.

Little Thom posted this:
"How many known fraudulent Army investigations would one have to cite to make that understood?"

He was called on it by jcrue and came back with this:
jcrue:Do you have any evidence to present that indicates that this particular Army investigation was fraudulent?

Little Thom: No. (Do have any to present that it wasn't?)

What, is this guy 6 years old? "I know I am but what are you?"

OK, Little Thom, you made the accusation. Back it up. Enough with the Burden of Proof fallacies.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Anonymous said...

The so-called "pundits" have been repeatedly caught shrieking over made-up controversies. That does not prevent them to go howling hysterically over the next fabricated ccontroversy. Making things up and screaming like banshees is like crack to them.